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« on: December 23, 2010, 08:14:10 pm »

ok first off i dont want this to turn into a fan boy argument just keep it factual

right, so im struggling to see why so many people rate New Holland, i just find them some what gutless and i get this oppion from driving a tm120 opended out to 140horse on a 14t dump trailer flat roads and the thing just wouldnt go yet on the same road same trailer i pulled it with reletive ease with a 390t, now of course the extra power of the nh ment i could set off much more easily but once moving it just didnt have extra go with it.

the gear box comes across as very slow to me for a button touch gearbox jd's seem to have far snappier gear changes and you still have a choice of what box you want to be in. i couldnt find away when in say b1 to get c1 without flicking through every gear. now im not a nh hater i did like them they seemed ok from seeing but then after driving them i felt dissipointed. maybe i had to high expectations. there are good points i found them fairly user freindly very simple to operate and resembly comfy but not overly impressed.

now its been a few months since driving one but ive spent some time recently speaking to nh fans and im still trying to work out why they like them, am i missing something here ?
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2010, 09:07:15 pm »

you cant beat a new holland tm. in my opinion they are better than the new series new hollands. tm 120s were a bit gutless on the other hand a very easy tractor to drive.
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2010, 09:16:33 pm »

i would say that new holland are great tractors we used to have 4 tm155s lovely tractors but yeah the gear box is very slow like takes some time to go up through the gears but never found the tm155s very gutless atal we still got 2 tms one is a 56 plate and that has nearly 6000hrs on it and still going very well
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2010, 09:20:40 pm »

we have a tm 125 classic and is ten years old also a tm 155. two great tractors. the gear changing in the 155 is a bit slow but overall performance mind blowing Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2010, 09:24:48 pm »

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but I always lose tractor arguments.

NHs are lovely to drive, there is nothing comfier out there imo. the TM140 I drive is opened up to about 165, and I reckon it goes like fuk, and I quite like range command, if you are in B1, put your clutch in, and it will change up quick, I reckon you could get to C1 quicker that if you had to fanny about with a gear lever, or doing a sequence to change range (like you would in an MF etc) There are only 3 'boxes' (ranges) in range command, and you got 6 powershifts, A JD had 6 ranges, surely a NH is better? you 'select ur box' in those too, you rarely have to get out of C range for most jobs, will go anywhere in C1. Yeh, spose it does take a while to change while your not use to it, just change slightly before you would, you don't need to rev flat out before you change. Everything is where you expect it to be, its spot on ergonomically, and it works, you should try driving a valtra where you have to walk to the other end of the cab to get the gear stick, then walk to the back of it to change gear, and be constantly on the hand throttle as the foot one it waaay too sensitive and far away.  
 
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im still trying to work out why they like them, am i missing something here ?


can you not feel the power?



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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2010, 09:33:39 pm »

good i understand it then Tongue, i do like aspect just the overall machine isnt as good as i thought it would be
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2010, 09:43:25 pm »

I find that on the TS115 model, Im just saying here though, you cant just slip it into the foward and reverse lever its quit hard going round with the strawblower on the tight yard, when you need to turn quickly.,you actually have to pull it back instead of the gentle touch.. Its a good tractor, I dont have any problems with it other than that.
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2010, 09:45:18 pm »

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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2010, 11:14:30 pm »

I have had only negative experience with New hollands, im also having trouble understanding their huge popularity.
And dont forget that they ruined CaseIH. They make good combines tough, the TX are ultra relibale machines and have very good quality.
The new combines arent bad, its just that they look like a lovechild of a bumblebee and a rubber duck. And the NH name should have stayed on the combines and balers, they dont belong on Fiat/Ford hybrids.

The worst i have driven have is the New Holland TS100A, it is strange how a company that has made pretty nice TM could make this odd tractor.
I know that this forum is filled with New-holland lovers but this is my actual experience. And i dont want to offend anyone!!.
It has somehow lost all of its all good lineage from fiat and ford and only got the bad.
The interior is rubbish and filled with cheap bad-fitting plastics and falls apart even tough the tractor is only a few months old, the throttle pedal even fell off. I dont like the small dashboard that i find hard to read and all of the casino lights make it somewhat annoying. The entire machine looks like it was designed by commite, it looks taller than longer giving it a funky apparence.
The engine is gutless and feels more like a small petrol engine than a large tractor diesel, combine that with a nasty rubbery gearshifting and you got a very annoying drive. And the powershift found on the larger t6000 models beeps all the time and calls me CP. I dont like the quircky styling at all and reminds me of an odd french or korean car. And why on earth did they place the climate controls behind your back where you can barely touch them as the tractor is moving. In the tractors defense i must say that the cab is very roomy. Smiley

I have also driven the NH M100, the one i was driving had a turbo installed and the pump turned up but it still didnt pack any real punch, just smoke!!
I later found out that the M100 has a 7,5L ford engine, wich explains the smoke and lack of power. That engine is bigger  that of a JD 6900 but the green machines still has better overall power for some reason.
I have been driving my neighbours 8160, but i have to say that his Deutz agrotron is superior in every way to the NH, but for some stupid reason NH outsells deutz in sweden.

I copied most of this post from another thread, but why invent the wheel twice?, i want to share my opinion
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2010, 12:15:30 am »

Axel that cp coming up means clutch pedal and the older new hollands were the best.
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2010, 11:48:23 am »

Aye I don't rate NH at all either. Contractor had a TM140 I think it was, hydraulic pump failed on it. I drove a 5640 or something when I was rowing up, didn't get on with it at all. It was unstable, hydraulics were slow to lift and the gearbox felt like a fire poker in a coal bucket.

Then when my boss got a T6050 on hire while the baling tractor was being fixed, he sent me off to do some rowing up with it and see what I thought. Well I'll agree it sounded nice, and the cab was pretty big, and it had 50k, but thats where it ends. The engine was gutless as hell. It was struggling with a Liner 660 on the back up some not very steep hills. The 3120 I also drive is 6hp less and pulls a hell of a lot better. Next was the stupid gearbox. Say I wanted to go from A3 up to C2. I have to go through every single gear to get there. Even if the clutch was able to set off in that gear, why oh why do I have to switch up every single gear? Its not a gearbox, its a display with a few LEDs going up like a christmas tree. A reason why I also tend to hate all electronic gearboxes on all tractors, I can't get on with them. The shuttle seemed to have a mind of its own too, selecting any old gear when going from forward to reverse.

Anyway I got rowed up after finally working out how everything worked, and the boss had it from there on. He didn't rate it much either. He reckoned the 3645 was a better tractor on the baler, yes it is 145hp compared to 126hp, but he also said he would rather have the 3120 on the baler. So, T6050, meh. Don't rate it at all.

Next, my mate has a TS115. They currently have it on a Claas Jaguar 75 in summer. Its been chipped and tweaked up to 140hp, and they have still had to buy a Mccormick MTX140 to run it this year.... That says something doesn't it? Wink
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2010, 12:21:12 pm »

Did you put the gearboxs into auto on the t6050 that helps alot and your right the new ones are rubbish the only good thing is the cab, and the ts115 are better on hauling i would say they aint cut out to drive foragers and tweaking them dont to much really theymake good ractors on the pit Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2010, 12:31:14 pm »

Did you put the gearboxs into auto on the t6050 that helps alot and your right the new ones are rubbish the only good thing is the cab, and the ts115 are better on hauling i would say they aint cut out to drive foragers and tweaking them dont to much really theymake good ractors on the pit Smiley

It didn't have an auto. It was PowerCommand or RangeCommand or something like that.
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2010, 12:42:53 pm »


I found on the larger t6000 models beeps all the time and calls me CP.

happen to me alot with that bloody annoying to say the least then say you take the pressure of the seat for a stretch it has a fit at you, nothing in the thread has convinced me there good btw
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2011, 09:02:37 pm »

dont you just hate the way they throw error codes up for nothing too? i was unloading bales on a tl100a and you could confuse that by using the clutchless shuttle more than 3 times, it wud beep and stop then you have to use the clutch and away she went again.
this summer i was carting bales, nh 6030 behind me with 14 bales on (light trailer) i had 14 on too but with a converted truck trailer (weighted 4 ton empty) i left him for dead on hills and he says it is a gutless POS, the only blue tractor that was/is any good are fords the rest are sh*t.
i think alot of people in this thread simaly like the colour and have probably never even driven one (some i know have like them above the age of 10 Roll Eyes)
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